Apartment #2

I have only this post for you today and again, no photos because the apartment another open house with many people walking around and the owners were there and very watchful of everyone, and since it wasn't something I'd want to rent I felt no need to ask for photos. I'm so, so sorry! I thought this flat was empty so I figured I could march right in and photograph it but that was not the case.

But I have the floor plan (above) but that's it. It was 1,149 Euros with NM and the current tenants told Thorsten that heat is around 250 - 300 Euros per month because it's an older heating system, so 1400 Euros ($2,020 USD) in the winter plus electric, TV, phone, internet etc. I don't know, I personally don't think it was worth the money even if it is 135 square meters. And just so you know, I'm willing to pay this for rent for a simple reason. We both work from home and need separate offices and both offices are tax deductions so I can justify the expense of a larger apartment for this reason. If we both worked outside of the home, I'd be looking for something smaller. Okay, this place was on the 3rd floor, which in America we'd call this the 4th. The building is from 1908 and was massive inside, the stairwell was so huge I couldn't believe it, like a museum! The entry door to the flat was ornate and lovely, original. When you walked in there was an entryway and a long hall and to the left, a MASSIVE kitchen. So far so good! But an immediate "problem" that I noticed was that most rooms only had skylights. No actual windows, well a few, so your view of the world was pretty much limited to the sky. I think I'd go crazy living that way. And in each room as least one of the walls was on a slant so you lost square footage. I didn't understand this because usually if an apartment is a top floor apartment with slanted ceilings the Realtor tells you up front that it's a "Dachgeschoß" or "attic". In that case, I wouldn't have bothered to look at it because I could never live in a home where all rooms had skylights. This was a huge turn off. But the wood floors were original hardwood and gorgeous. The balcony overlooking the forest was very large. The current owners were non-smokers. It was relatively large. And it had all these old doors and old handles on them and just tons of character so I felt a bit disappointed that it had only skylights for the most part. So this apartment is a no. :*( Afterwards, we had another appointment with a Realtor to view Apartment #3, and this time it was not going to be an open house but a private appointment. Yay! Or so we thought. We went to the right address and waited. And waited. And waited. In the snow, freezing, my boots now soaked to my socks. The Realtor never came and did not bother to call us on our handy (cell phone). We waited for over 30 minutes and with tails tucked between our legs and heads hung low, we walked home feeling a bit let down. My husband told me that if it doesn't happen it's not happening for a reason. I believe this too. He tells me there is always London, he loves England and would love to move there. He even mentioned Hamburg as an option. I advised him we should be practical and continue our search. We grabbed a late lunch because we were both starving and walked home in the snow, throwing snowballs at signs and houses, laughing and making jokes because really, what can you do but laugh when all you want to do is stomp your feet and pout? This week I will continue to watch the papers and websites and see what results. And of course, I'll keep you tuned in as the hunt continues! I'm determined despite the less-than-ideal real estate market here. When it should happen, it will happen. And one thing I'm determined to add to my search: NO VIEWING ANYTHING unless I've first seen photos of it online. Period. No matter how much the Realtor talks it up. How is your weekend? Anyone else have some apartment search stories to relate? Or are you also looking for a place and if so, where?

Comments

Chin up, Miss Holly. My father-in-law had a horrible time finding an apartment in Berlin this fall. He was ready to quit. Now I understand why a lot of Germans hire people to find apartments for them.
Happy evening.
Katie
Allison said…
Hopefully the choices will get better, but 2 bad places probably don't represent everything that's out there. Maybe hiring a housing agent would be worth it to ensure you see things that are a closer match? My husband and I are looking for an apartment in Amsterdam. We will be going for our first viewings on Tuesday and I can't wait to see what the places will be like. We have a housing agent who will be taking us to see several places after we had an initial interview on Friday about what we're looking for. It seems like a stress-free way for us to (hopefully quickly!) find a place we like in a city we're unfamiliar with. Good luck on your hunt, it's fun to follow along!
Spotted Sparrow said…
Based on my own experiences, and from what I've heard from others, apartment hunting in Germany is a long and tedious process. We've had better luck not using a realtor and finding something ourselves, which has the added bonus of no provision. Don't give up and keep looking. You will find something!
Frau Mayer said…
No, no, no, it's definitely no reason to give up! You've only viewed a couple so far - I recall looking at around 50 flats with absolutely no luck in HH (just a hint - the situation there is 45 times worse than in Hannover).
I'm going on a flat hunt very soon, already totally excited about it!
Wishing you loads of luck.
Sorry that sucks....I hope you find more of a selection this week.
→lisa said…
Skylights in all the rooms? I wouldn't want my main windows to be in the ceiling either...

That stinks that the realtor didn't show up at the other place - not exactly professional. Perhaps the market is such that they feel that potential clients will put up with anything to get a place.

At any rate, it sounds like you're learning as you go and becoming increasingly selective, which will keep you from having your time wasted with looking at unsuitable digs. So, that's a plus.

And of course, the main criterion at this point needs to be that you will only see places that you can photograph and share with your Haus Maus readers, right? Right?! Heh heh...
Donna Vitan said…
Good luck with the continued search and keep up with your beautiful and positive attitude!

You are only crossing off the places you don't want to be in so that you're ready and prepared for the perfect place!

Thank you so much for sharing your experiences too.
Brigitte said…
Hi Holly - Don't be discouraged so soon. In Chicago, there are loads of options, but it still took quite a few ugly ducklings before my husband and I settled on a condo we liked. Because you have a specific vision for your apartment, it will take a bit longer, but it's worth it not to settle. At least your current place is yours, and you don't have the end of a lease looming over your head.
Juliette said…
gosh, it took us over a year, but we were in a much smaller city. I was hoping it would go faster for you in a proper city! poop.

Our apt was listed online w/2 diff realtors, w/no pictures. We had ruled out realators b/c we didn't want to pay the finder's fee, but we put an ad in the 'searching for' section of the paper and were called to see the very one in the exact location I had wanted! By then we were so sick of looking at crap we had our must-have list memorized and ran down it over the phone and decided to go see it, even w/no pictures. And now we're here =)

Keep going - it's still kind of fun seeing the inside of random people's homes and how they decorate! I got a few ideas on how to work w/rooms that have slanted ceilings during our house hunt!
Anonymous said…
Hi Holly,

I totally understand your dissapointment, I have been through this myself (in Hamburg) and so have all my friends. It is so frustrating and off putting!

I think when looking for an apartment in a popular area most people look at about 20 places, do not like 14 of them, "apply" for 6 and are offerd one.

The most frustrating thing is when you look at a place and want it, but don´t get it because the landlord chooses another person/couple.

Don´t give up! I totally understand that you are dissapointed. But don´t stop looking! About your idea of looking in Hamburg: The situation here is much more difficult than in Hannover. And a 135 squarefoot apartment in a popular area would cost about 30% more than the one you looked at today.

I am sure you will find the right place! Everyone I know did in the end :-))

Good luck!
Karen
Georgianna said…
Oh, Holly, I'm so sorry that you and Thorsten had this miserable experience today. I had no idea it was so challenging to find a flat in Germany. It would be a shame to leave Hannover just when you are getting settled and love so many things about the city. But I do believe you WILL find a wonderful home there. You both deserve it for all that you do to enhance other people's lives. Good luck! xo
diana said…
Oh Holly, such a drag - don't give up so soon though! This is all perfectly normal (ow...the visits we made before we found ours in Munich!) - and the "Makler" leaving you waiting outside just lost a potential customer...for ever
Especially with Altbau you'll have to have patience and (important!) a bit of luck. The best ones oftn go without a RE Agent involved! But when you succeed you'll have something you can stay in for years and enjoy every day!
Jennifer said…
We're moving to Germany in a few months and trying to learn all we can about the housing situation in advance. I'm starting to understand that this isn't atypical behavior for a maklar, and I'm struggling to understand why the provision is so standard! I hope we get lucky and don't end up paying 5,000+ euros to someone for doing things like leaving us out in the snow!!
Alex said…
Sorry! are you looking to rent or buy?
Yes the house hunting process is getting tougher by the day in Europe and all over.All the luck ...you will find what you need sooner or later.
Anne Garcia said…
When my husband and I were looking to buy an apartment in Brooklyn, it rained every single weekend for six weeks straight. We felt cursed as we tromped around soaking wet to five open houses per day. After ruling out dozens online (weird layout, weird location, too far from the subway, second bedroom too small, etc.), we saw about forty in person. But when we saw the one we actually got, we just *knew* it was the right one. It's such a slog, but you'll be so happy in your new home!
Maria said…
Holly, keep it up!
I know how dissapointing and tedious the search can be sometimes as I am currently looking for an apartment myself, though in Munich. Germany is tough when it comes to renting a "nice" space. And specially if you are looking for old builings around 1900. But there are beautyful places out there and I am sure you are going to find something perfect!
Good luck & fingers crossed.
Maria
Renate said…
Look on the positive: looking at several appartments that aren't right for you, helps you get a clearer picture of what you DO want. But btw: if you're going to be paying that much in rent, couldn't you just as well buy a house?
Alicia said…
It would be awesome to just live in whatever European city you wanted. But I thought you moved where you live because that's where your husband's parents are? It seems like a really nice city, also.
I was in Hamburg for only an hour or two on a train stopover, but it felt too governmental to me. Maybe I didn't see the right parts.
Eleanor said…
Hi Holly - You may have already heard of Toytown, it's a site for the English speaking community in Germany that got it's start in Munich but has now expanded to all of Germany:

http://www.toytowngermany.com/

There isn't a ton of stuff for Hannover, but it's worth a look. It can be a really good resource, in fact I own a small apartment here and just got it rented by someone in Canada who is here for a year doing a fellowship.

It's also just a good site to get info on Germany in English.

Good Luck!
iva yaneva said…
My, do I have stories to tell! I was looking for a small apartment to buy last year and it was insane. I once went to see one that was at the perfect location but that's just about it. The front door was less than 70sm wide (which is insane unless it is a bathroom door!) and one of the rooms (the bigger one) had an extremely skewed ceiling so that you could barely make two steps inside before you hit your head on the ceiling! And the roof kept getting lower and lower until it meets the floor. Insane!
At another place we went, the apartment was huge and really cheap for its size, with ceilings so high that you could fit another level there. All of this was very weird and we later found out that the whole building was illegal and therefore it didn't even have electricity!!
We got the first normal apartment we found that met our criteria, it was just crazy! I hope things are a lot better with you.

p.s. getting an apartment right under the roof is not preferable because it gets very hot during the summer (because the sun is warming the roof) and very cold during the winter. Plus there might be problems with leakage, especially when it is an old building. The ground level isn't good either because of all those people peeking through your windows..

Good luck with your hunt, Holly! :)
Juliette said…
just a little shout-out for Dachgeschoß: Some are actually fine, so it's good to check. We saw a few good ones, and with ours there's only one floor below us, so it's not a hike up here. We don't have extreme heat or cold like some do, and although nearly every room has a slanted ceiling, we have lots of wallspace, and at 6'1" I do just fine. =) We also have tons of natural light thanks to interior doors w/glass panels as well as skylights and many 'regular' windows on side of the house.

We also had said no Dachgeschoß, but changed our minds when we had seen a few like what we ended up with. I love having no neighbors above me =)

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